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offline SafePit
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 Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/13/07 at 06:13:17

So, Apple released Safari for Windows yesterday.  I wrote a quick review of it.  I probably won't use it much, but for us non-mac users, it does provide another way to test for Safari users.  Although, talking to my Mac friends, they all use Firefox.  :-)



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/13/07 at 14:23:50

Apple has made another wish come true...  wink

I was on their site yesterday...  but didnt notice this since they totally revamped their website!!!!

Awesome...  going to grab this NOW!!! :)


UPDATE:  Installed and running...

Once again Apple has raised the bar of the term Application on the Windows side.  After reinventing the concept of a Media Player with the release of iTunes for Windows, Apple went on to overtake in that market and even teach Microsoft how to build Windows Media Player 11 by basically copying the iTunes look and layout...

Safari for Windows is TOO SWEET so far!!!
They are right... it IS the fastest browser I have used in a LONG time!!!

This will help us develop our themes to be more accurately compliant, and give the users an over-all nicer web browsing experience.

I recommend this one big-time!!!!

Another UPDATE

OK, WHile this is a great start, and great beta...
and while I am styill enjoying this Lollypop Web Browser here on this machine...

I tried installing it on 2 other computers...  only to have it crash on run on both...
So I guess for now, this specific beta version is not for everyone since it just wont run for some...
I was following the Discussions in the Apple Board...  and it seems to be an issue for some, and not a problem for others...
aside from that, I like this one...



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/15/07 at 03:19:31

Too bad about the crashes, Jack.  So far it has been stable for me.  I hope they fix the text issue, some sites look really bad.

Another issue I've had was installing the Flash plugin.  For some reason it didn't find the one already installed.  When I installed it,  it just kept asking to install it again.  Quick restart fixed the issue.



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/15/07 at 14:32:01

Yeah, too bad for the other guy and for my work machine for not running it...

who knows, it might run after a restart, I just didnt have time to find out...

It does run fine over here though :)
while there are some issues in the browser, Apple is aware of them though...  and if Apple isnt aware of them...  They are now...  as their "Discussions" forum is loading up with issues from users of the browser :)


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Too bad about the crashes, Jack.  So far it has been stable for me.  I hope they fix the text issue, some sites look really bad.

Another issue I've had was installing the Flash plugin.  For some reason it didn't find the one already installed.  When I installed it,  it just kept asking to install it again.  Quick restart fixed the issue.



Heh...  see Apple is smart in the sense that they bundled the browser with the Apple Update software...
I am certain 98% of the users installed it without realising what it is even...

so as soon as the next beta is ready, you should get a notification that there are updates to install.

This is something they started bundling with iTunes a while ago now...

The Major Hype of Safari on Windows will instantly build a larger base of users with Apple Update on their system, which automatically tells them...  hey, you dont have iTunes nor Quicktime up to date on there!!!!
so eventually it will get a lot more PC users running Apples software, which is fine with me...

I am 100% certain that once they get this browser running on the PC as clean as it runs on the Mac...  that it will be my main browser...
Standards Compliance is the great thing here, and while IE7 still shows our mistakes nicely on the page...  this one shows the truth behind our coding/html/css issues...



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/16/07 at 23:49:22

Speak of the devil...

Apple Update just jumped up and informed me of the NEW Safari for Windows Update!!!!  Version 3.0.1

See?  It was all a ploy wink



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/17/07 at 00:05:55

Yeah, its been out a few days.  Most a security fix, no real bug fixes yet.



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/25/07 at 17:10:28

Well 3.0.2 seems alot more stable...

I stilll see some little silly issues...

one of the biggest headaches dissappeared for me when I clicked on the View menu and hit "Show Status Bar".

Now if the title/alt popups would load when I hovered on something I might just start using this browser a heck of alot more...

for now though we should all be checking this browser out since it is purely running on standards and will shows the problems other browsers may hide when Theming or playing with internal html code.

Definitely worth installing in my books.

Wow...  Not sure if you noticed...  but did you know you can resize text boxes???  such as the one I am writing this in right now??!!!!

This will fix the headache issue of writing an article in a small box...  just grab the bottom right corner and drag the box out the wherever you want it to be!!!!!
Too bad we cant do this within the core code itself for all browsers!!! :)
This is Awesome!!! :)



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/25/07 at 18:09:30

I liked the last feature so much I tested out some screen capture software I got and tossed a video up on YouTube...  check it out here:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsX3C0ZtNDE[/url]



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/25/07 at 20:16:56

Yes, noticed the issue with hovers -- was making it a bit annoying to use.  But most sites still forget about FF, so hovers aren't reliable anyway.

I also like the text resize.  Nice touch, although it does re-arrange a web site.  Something that some designs might not like.  I also like the way Safari highlights the current input box.  Very nice.



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/26/07 at 01:06:50

Whats this Safari thing?
Every second visit from is a Safari refer. Is it better than Firefox and IE in terms of plugins/addons?



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/26/07 at 02:04:23

Its Apple's default browser.  Better is a matter of perspective.  ;-)


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Whats this Safari thing?
Every second visit from is a Safari refer. Is it better than Firefox and IE in terms of plugins/addons?





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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 06/26/07 at 12:24:12

We need to add in Safari into stats as well as a nice icon for it before too many more users are jumping on it...

Safari is Apple Browser as stated by SafePit above...  It was based on KTML, a standards based browser and "updated" for use by Apple...

The useage of this browser will only grow from here...  I see it taking a nice chunk out of IE marketshare in the future after a 4.0 release will open all the features the windows version is lacking...

forget about plugins/addons for now...  keep using FireFox, as I have seen stated on the Apple site in discussions if you need that...
Proxy use is an issue right now as it looks to be disabled, but I have also seen some users setting their proxies in IE and Safari ripping the info and logging in successfully that way...

Safari is also the Web Browser used in the Apple iPhone...  hopefully there will be a way to determine if a user is running an iPhone when they surf and that too can be added into the stats...

I recommend you grab a copy of this browser!!!  for more info check out:
http://www.apple.com... external link

Apple also has a great Developers section where you can grab all sorts of "open" code...  check it out here:
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On said:
Whats this Safari thing?
Every second visit from is a Safari refer. Is it better than Firefox and IE in terms of plugins/addons?





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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 07/11/07 at 16:16:45

So, Back to a Safari Issue which stops me from using the browser all the time...

The Alt / Title Attribute PopUp is Missing.

Now upon further investigation, and while they may add this in in the future...

Safari is a Fully Compliant Browser.

This means it loads all code in full compliance.
The Tool Tip Alt/Title Attributes we use now as in actuality incorrect.
This is actually an additional thing which was added on from Browser specific useage...  And is in Fact NOT THE PROPER CODING for tooltips such as hovering over the Latest Forum Posts and getting a popup there...

Remember above when I said that Safari was a great browser to see where we are doing things incorrectly?  Well this is one example where the whole industry is incorrectly using the Alt/Title tags for tooltips.

So, after looking around and seeing various frustrated users who still think its a Safari Issue and not an incorrect coding issue...  I saw a few examples of the proper way we should be running out Tool Tips...

In other word, tooltips should be done differently.
Back to surfing...  cool



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 07/11/07 at 20:36:16

Nope, Safari is broke.  Check out Apple's own Safari FAQ.  Safari is supposed to support a tool-tip with the title attribute (just like Firefox and, yes, IE).  However, in the current beta, it doesn't work.

Now, as for standards, the  W3 Schools description of the alt tag is a little mis-leading.  Its original purpose was to display text in browsers that didn't support images, not as alternate text or as a tool-tip.  I personally think IE took a unique approach that provided value for the alt tag without bloating code or adding additional tags.  Now, as developers, we have to add both if we want tool-tips?  Sorry, I have to disagree with W3's stance on this one.



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 07/11/07 at 21:24:33

W3 can bite my bean bag. The majority of internet users don't give a ratts asss as long as they can chat and watch videos.



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 Re: Safari for Windows
 Posted on: 07/12/07 at 01:21:57

Some days, I couldn't agree more.  How do you come up with a standard that is "open for interpretation" on basic concepts like the box model!  How lame.


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W3 can bite my bean bag. The majority of internet users don't give a ratts asss as long as they can chat and watch videos.





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